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panthera
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 Re: Unsure of becoming a vegan?
milkandcookies22 wrote:
But I am freaking out over the part where it would be a huge change. Maybe it's not really a huge change. I mean I am vegetarian already. I hardly drink milk, and when i do i have switched to soy,


You've already shown that you can change your diet, just by being vegetarian. And if you don't rely on milk and eggs very much now, then you are way ahead of most other vegetarians! Smile


milkandcookies22 wrote:
but do eat things that may have milk in it. ...It would be hard for me to give up ice cream, and chocolate, which are things I love. I would give up a lot. I find that kind of hard if I were to stop having any dairy.

And I now don't want to have milk, because I would feel guilty.


Yes, there's no denying that you do give up a lot of foods. And it's hard in a lot of ways. But it's hard for the cows and chickens that you are exploiting if you don't give them up, isn't it? You can use your feelings of guilt to help you change your diet. You can also see the positive side. By going vegan, you are taking a stand against animal exploitation and cruelty, and that is a WONDERFUL feeling. Trust me, it's even better than ice cream!!
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BTW, almost all dark chocolate is vegan, so you don't have to give up all chocolate. And you can always have delicious chocolate cake using cocoa. And you can have hot cocoa too! When I lived with 18 housemates, I could never just make cocoa for myself, because everyone else (omni/vegetarian) wanted some, so I'd have to make a whole pot of vegan hot cocoa. That's good outreach, though, so I always did it.
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milkandcookies22 wrote:
The thing for eggs. I hardly ever eat them. But if I do, I get the free-range ones. I don't see what is wrong with eating eggs though, if the chickens are treated well, and not forced to lay eggs.


All egg-laying hens are bred to use up most of their nutrition in producing eggs, not in maintaining their own health. Their bodies get leached of calcium in producing egg shells in such abnormal quantities.

Of course, there is the whole issue of whether or not the chickens really are treated well. Most free-range chickens never see the light of day; they spend their lives cooped up in a shed along with thousands of other chickens. There's a door to the outdoors, but no guarantee that most of the chickens will be able to get to it, or even that there is grass outside of it.

Something that not many people consider is that only half of all chickens are born hens, so the other half is completely useless, because they are males. Because the breed is designed not to use nutrition to build muscle, they don't yield enough meat to justify feeding them. See what happens to chicks, especially the male ones:

Fowl Play: Mercy For Animals documentary

You may not want to see animal cruelty, but this is what you are paying for, even if you only use free-range eggs.



milkandcookies22 wrote:
And my boyfriend is a Pescno-Vegetarian as of now because he wants to better his health. But, I feel like it would be hard being a vegan (if I were to become one), when he isn't. Sometimes I have gotten mad at him for eating meat. How can I make myself not get mad at him?


There's a lot of information available these days regarding how disastrous dairy consumption is for the human body. Try
Facts About the Dairy/Veal Industry: Kinship Circle for a good summary. You can show him that if he wants to better his health, he should cut out dairy products, even more than meat.

Even if he won't make the change with you, he should be supportive of your choice, especially once he sees good reasons for what you're doing. And as you become more comfortable with being vegan, maybe he'll start to change, too! If he doesn't change, it will be harder for you, but people do it all the time.

A piece of advice: don't get hung up on finding all non-vegan ingredients in all your food, at first. Start with things that are obvious, then as you get familiar with those, move on to the more detailed things. The important thing is to aim for a life free from animal exploitation.

Staying vegan gets easier and easier as time goes on. But it never stops being as rewarding.

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panthera
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 Just had to add: vegans will fall all over themselves to help one another, so you can count on getting full support from any vegans you know, including us! Don't ever be afraid to talk about difficulties you're having, or to share little or big victories.
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You have absolutely made my day. Get ready for peaceful but yummy eating!

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 Thank you for becoming vegan!

Now all you have to do is convince others of the poor animal's Rights being abused too! Don't give up! For their sakes and ours. Each time someone is NOT a vegan it'll hurt you (and us) inside. Do it for yourself, the animals and us too. Very Happy
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 VC, that's super! It'll be that much easier for him if/when he does feel compelled to go vegan.

I think it's a very good sign that you guys are adjusting and staying respectful of each other. Smile
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 Don't beat yourself up. It's great he's at least changed.

BTW, it seems to me people tend to say "I will never..." more as a self-convincing strategy. I've heard it quite a few times from people that today are vegan or vegetarian.

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 Congratulations on your new way of life, Vegancookie. And well done on getting your boyfriend to make changes.

Panthera, a very persuasive post. It would have prompted me to go vegan if I already wasn't one.
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 And there's soya ice cream if you really want some.
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