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samaritan
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 Reporting animal abuse through the internet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTMnj3PcluE

I recently came across this video where this girl ties this cat to a treadmill and proceeds to laugh as it tries to claw its way off. It really hit a nerve with me, you wouldn't treat a person like this so why would you treat a cat who can't defend itself this way? I've flagged the video as animal abuse and it appears a lot of the people who commented did the same but still youtube does not take the video down.

Is there any other way to report animal cruelty that is posted on websites such as Youtube?

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Hello Sarmaritan!

I'm so glad you are expressing your concern! You are not the only one that has seen sick displays of animal abuse on Youtube videos. There is a petition to get them to stop posting these cruelty scenes:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/to-get-youtube-to-remove-animal-cruelty-videos

I'm going to do a more thorough review of the web sites I came across when I Googled "animal abuse videos on You Tube". I let you know if I can come up with something better than a petition.

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In the last sentence of this web site http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/to-get-youtube-to-remove-animal-cruelty-videos it says that alerts are needed from viewers to have youtube remove them. The problem with having these people arrested is that they are anonymously posting these sick videos. Even sicker is the fact that they get good reviews/comments from people who are into such perversity. Pissed off

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It makes me curious as to the number of flags and reports a video needs to receive before Youtube will even consider taking it down.

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samaritan
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Also I would have signed the petition however it seems to be closed. I see this as a significant problem with Youtube, they're so concerned over copyrighted materials that they neglect to look into sick videos posted online like those that depict animal abuse.

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Re: Reporting animal abuse through the internet?

samaritan wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTMnj3PcluE

I recently came across this video where this girl ties this cat to a treadmill and proceeds to laugh as it tries to claw its way off. It really hit a nerve with me, you wouldn't treat a person like this so why would you treat a cat who can't defend itself this way? I've flagged the video as animal abuse and it appears a lot of the people who commented did the same but still youtube does not take the video down.

Is there any other way to report animal cruelty that is posted on websites such as Youtube?



The ultimate answer to why such videos are posted and are not necessarily taken down is cultural speciesism. For example, you ask why do we treat cats and persons differently. That is one reason, we do not regard nonhuman animals as moral persons in the way we regard human animals. Indeed, and this is not having a go, you also reveal the depth of cultural speciesism in the way you call a cat "it" twice in one short post.

If we want to get to the root of the issue, then we have to understand the power of speciesism to shape your attitudes, behaviour and language.


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I just received this e-mail today regarding "crush" videos, and have copied and pasted the relevant parts below.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
New Evidence Shows Animal Torture Videos Remain Available Online
U.S. Senate Urged to Pass H.R. 5566 to Crack Down on Animal ‘Crush’ Videos
WASHINGTON (July 29, 2010) – New information released today shows that videos depicting extreme forms of animal cruelty remain available online. The Humane Society of the United States and Humane Society Legislative Fund, along with key members of Congress, are urging the U.S. Senate to quickly pass legislation to ban interstate and foreign commerce in these obscene animal “crush” videos. The animal torture videos show the intentional crushing, burning, drowning, suffocating, and impaling of puppies, kittens, and other live animals for the titillation of viewers.
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“The recent discovery of dozens of videos depicting this extreme form of cruelty lends even more urgency to the need for the U.S. Senate to pass a ban on crush videos before leaving town for the August recess,” said Wayne Pacelle, HSUS president and CEO.
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The U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 5566 last week by a vote of 416-3. Senators Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., and Richard Burr, R-N.C., are leading a bipartisan push for Senate action.
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The HSUS recently received a tip from a Russian investigator, who identified through online forums numerous crush videos readily available for purchase. The videos are sold through download links for about $80, payable through PayPal or Western Union. His investigation found dozens of video clips showing young girls and women maiming and killing animals including dogs, goats, monkeys, rabbits and pigs.
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An HSUS researcher viewed 36 preview clips that are offered to potential customers. The videos depict horrifying forms of animal cruelty, including:
В·В В В В A smiling girl in stilettos pokes her sharp heel through a live dog’s eye socket. The dog’s front legs are tied behind his back and his mouth is tied shut, but he screams and screams in horrendous pain as the girl relentlessly stabs her heel through his eye socket. At one point, her heel goes all the way in and makes a cracking sound, but the dog is still alive and screaming.

Three young girls crush a puppy to death with their bare feet. The audio includes cracking sounds as the puppy’s bones break. Three dead puppies can be seen lying on the floor nearby.
A girl dressed in a leather mini-skirt and stiletto heels pokes the heel of her shoe through the eye of a small monkey.
A girl wearing a flimsy negligee, stockings and stiletto heels crushes a rabbit, who screams as his hind legs are crushed.
A girl skins a live dog with a knife, removing the animal’s ear and the skin and fur on the dog’s head.
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Links to these preview clips are available; please email the media contact below for information.
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U.S. Reps. Elton Gallegly, R-Calif., and Gary Peters, D-Mich., the co-authors of H.R. 5566, the Prevention of Interstate Commerce in Animal Crush Videos Act of 2010, joined Pacelle in calling on the U.S. Senate to pass the new crush video ban quickly.
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“Time in this Congress is rapidly running out and it is vital that my colleagues in the Senate move quickly to pass this bill," said Rep. Gallegly. “The deliberate torture of small animals is not just a concern because of the animal cruelty involved, but because studies have shown that there is a link between animal cruelty and violence against humans. We need a federal law as soon as possible to once again stop these disgusting videos.”
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Rep. Peters said, “These animal torture videos are heinous and barbaric and we’re going to stop them once and for all. These videos illustrate once again just how disturbing animal torture is. The people who engage in this behavior shouldn’t be profiting from it, they should be in prison. The bill Mr. Gallegly and I have drafted addresses the Supreme Court’s concerns so that we can once again outlaw these deplorable videos. I am grateful to The Humane Society of the United States for their efforts and to Mr. Gallegly for working with me in a bipartisan way on this issue. I hope a bipartisan majority in the Senate acts quickly so we can once again outlaw these abhorrent videos.”
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Timeline:
1999 – HSUS investigation uncovers approximately 3,000 horrific animal crush videos available in the marketplace, selling for up to $300 apiece.
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December 1999 – President Bill Clinton signs into law the Depiction of Animal Cruelty Act, banning the creation, sale and possession for interstate or foreign commerce of depictions of illegal and intentional maiming, mutilating, torture, wounding or killing of a living animal. The market for crush videos disappears soon after enactment.
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July 2008 – A federal appellate court declares the law unconstitutional.
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December 2008 – The U.S. Solicitor General files a petition for certiorari requesting that the U.S. Supreme Court review and overturn the appellate court’s decision.
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June 2009 – Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum and The HSUS, joined by half of the country's state attorneys general, file amicus briefs urging the U.S. Supreme Court to reinstate the crush video ban.
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September 2009 – The HSUS releases an investigation documenting the recent resurgence in horrific animal crush videos.
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April 20, 2010 – The U.S. Supreme Court rules in United States v. Stevens that the Depiction of Animal Cruelty Act is “overbroad” and might capture depictions protected by the First Amendment. The Court acknowledges the long history of animal protection laws in the United States and leaves open a pathway for Congress to pass a more targeted law aimed at extreme animal cruelty.
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April 21, 2010 – Reps. Elton Gallegly, R-Calif., James Moran, D-Va., Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., and more than 50 other representatives introduce H.R. 5092 to end the intentional crushing, burning, drowning and impaling of puppies, kittens and other animals for the purpose of peddling videos of such extreme acts of animal cruelty.
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May 18, 2010 – Rep. Gary Peters, D-Mich., introduces H.R. 5337 to end the sale and distribution of depictions of extreme animal cruelty.
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May 26, 2010 – The House Judiciary Committee’s Crime Subcommittee holds a hearing and receives expert testimony from constitutional scholars and practitioners, as well as Reps. Gallegly and Peters, on the meaning of the Supreme Court’s opinion in the Stevens case and its implications for future legislation on crush videos.
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June 22, 2010 – Reps. Gallegly and Peters and 220 other representatives introduce H.R. 5566, reflecting insights from the May 26 hearing and extensive bipartisan deliberations to fine-tune the earlier legislation.
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June 23, 2010 – The House Judiciary Committee unanimously approves H.R. 5566 by a 23-0 vote.
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July 21, 2010 – U.S. House of Representatives approves H.R. 5566 (which now has 262 cosponsors) by a 416-3 vote.
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Media Contact: Heather Sullivan: 301.548.7778; hsullivan@humanesociety.org

Follow The HSUS on Twitter. See our work for animals on your iPhone by searching “HumaneTV” in the App Store.

The Humane Society of the United States is the nation's largest animal protection organization — backed by 11 million Americans, or one of every 28. For more than a half-century, The HSUS has been fighting for the protection of all animals through advocacy, education and hands-on programs. Celebrating animals and confronting cruelty — On the Web at humanesociety.org .

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People disgust me Pissed off

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Re: Reporting animal abuse through the internet?

sunkanrags wrote:
samaritan wrote:
I recently came across this video where this girl ties this cat to a treadmill and proceeds to laugh as it tries to claw its way off. It really hit a nerve with me, you wouldn't treat a person like this so why would you treat a cat who can't defend itself this way?


The ultimate answer to why such videos are posted and are not necessarily taken down is cultural speciesism. For example, you ask why do we treat cats and persons differently. That is one reason, we do not regard nonhuman animals as moral persons in the way we regard human animals. Indeed, and this is not having a go, you also reveal the depth of cultural speciesism in the way you call a cat "it" twice in one short post.

If we want to get to the root of the issue, then we have to understand the power of speciesism to shape your attitudes, behaviour and language.


This is an interesting point. There are a lot of issues that make the topic of cruelty videos on You Tube thorny, but the ultimate problem is the divide between humans and nonhumans, isn't it? I would actually call a child "it" if I didn't know its sex, so I don't think using the term "it" for nonhuman persons is problematic per se. However, I do specify "her/him" when referring to a nonhuman animal, just to emphasize the fact that s/he is a person. For most people, using the pronoun "it" reflects that human/nonhuman dichotomy. Sad
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Re: Reporting animal abuse through the internet?

panthera wrote:
This is an interesting point. There are a lot of issues that make the topic of cruelty videos on You Tube thorny, but the ultimate problem is the divide between humans and nonhumans, isn't it? I would actually call a child "it" if I didn't know its sex, so I don't think using the term "it" for nonhuman persons is problematic per se. However, I do specify "her/him" when referring to a nonhuman animal, just to emphasize the fact that s/he is a person. For most people, using the pronoun "it" reflects that human/nonhuman dichotomy. Sad


You GO girl! I've noticed increasing usage of "he" or "she" rather than "it" on many websites that deal with equine health. That gives me some hope. Wouldn't it be a cool world if other species were included in the definition of "people"? It's wrong to enslave people, it's wrong to eat people, it's wrong to hurt people. Damn it, other species ARE people.
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Thanks! Very Happy

I used to use "people" in that way, but someone pointed out that "people" is specifically defined as a group of humans. "Persons" can be used for nonhumans, though. Haven't quite figured out all the phrases to use.

I'm surprised "horse people" didn't always use "her" or "him." For some reason, it seems to me that they would have. Not sure why.
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I looked "people" up in a dictionary many years ago and the first definition was human beings. But that doesn't mean that it has to be the only definition. If human beings met aliens from another planet who were very much like them, wouldn't they call them "people"? I feel very strongly that the sense of the word "people" includes other species. Not sure why. I met one woman who claimed that her horses took people's clothes off. I was a little shocked at first until I found out that she meant they were taking other horses' blankets off.
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