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  [Book] Animal Liberation by Peter Singer
Animal Liberation
by Peter Singer



Amazon wrote:
Since its original publication in 1975, this groundbreaking work has awakened millions of concerned men and women to the shocking abuse of animals everywhere -- inspiring a worldwide movement to eliminate much of the cruel and unnecessary laboratory animal experimentation of years past.


Cynomis wrote:
Where the modern animal "rights" movement began, in spite of the fact
that Singer is a Bentham-style utilitarian who doesn't even believe
rights exist. I think his ideas are potentially dangerous, and they do
not support abolition of the use of animals at all.


Find a review at animalvoice, Eco Books
Find extracts at IVU and here.

Peter Singer

http://www.petersingerlinks.com/

Biographical note: wrote:
Peter Singer was born in Melbourne, Australia, in 1946, and educated at the University of Melbourne, and the University of Oxford. In 1968 he married Renata Diamond; they are still married, and have three daughters. He has taught at the University of Oxford, New York University, the University of Colorado at Boulder, the University of California of Irvine, and La Trobe University. He is now Professor of Philosophy, Co-Director of the Institute of Ethics and Public Affairs, and Deputy Director of the Centre for Human Bioethics at Monash University, Melbourne. He speaks frequently on a range of ethical issues, especially those involving issues of life and death, developments in medicine and the biological sciences, the status of nonhuman animals, and environmental questions.
Peter Singer first became well-known internationally as a result of his book Animal Liberation, sometimes described as "the Bible of Animal Liberation movement." His other books include: Democracy and Disobedience, Practical Ethics, The Expanding Circle, Marx , Hegel , Animal Factories (with Jim Mason), The Reproduction Revolution (with Deane Wells), Should the Baby Live? (with Helga Kuhse), How Are We to Live?, and most recently Rethinking Life and Death. Books he has edited or co-edited include Test-Tube Babies, In Defense of Animals, Applied Ethics, Animal Rights and Human Obligations, Embryo Experimentation, A Companion to Ethics, The Great Ape Project: Equality Beyond Humanity, and Ethics. He is the author of the major article on Ethics in the current edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, and, with Helga Kuhse, co-editor of the journal Bioethics.
Peter Singer's recreations include bushwalking, swimming, growing fruit and vegetables, and writing.


The Animal Liberation Movement, Peter Singer wrote:
Over the last few years, the public has gradually become aware of the existence of a new cause: animal liberation. Most people first heard of the movement through newspaper articles, often of the "what on earth will they come up with next?" variety. Then there were marches and demonstrations against factory farming, animal experimentation or the Canadian seal slaughter; all brought to an audience of millions by the TV cameras. Finally there have been the illegal acts: slogans daubed on fur shops, laboratories broken into and animals rescued. What are the ideas behind the animal liberation movement, and where is it heading? In this essay I shall try to answer these questions.


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[google]Peter Singer[/google]

You can buy the book at Amazon (new and second handed)
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 Re: [Book] Animal Liberation by Peter Singer
Minoesj wrote:
Animal Liberation
by Peter Singer



Amazon wrote:
Since its original publication in 1975, this groundbreaking work has awakened millions of concerned men and women to the shocking abuse of animals everywhere -- inspiring a worldwide movement to eliminate much of the cruel and unnecessary laboratory animal experimentation of years past.


Cynomis wrote:
Where the modern animal "rights" movement began, in spite of the fact
that Singer is a Bentham-style utilitarian who doesn't even believe
rights exist. I think his ideas are potentially dangerous, and they do
not support abolition of the use of animals at all.


Find a review at animalvoice, Eco Books
Find extracts at IVU and here.

Peter Singer

http://www.petersingerlinks.com/

Biographical note: wrote:
Peter Singer was born in Melbourne, Australia, in 1946, and educated at the University of Melbourne, and the University of Oxford. In 1968 he married Renata Diamond; they are still married, and have three daughters. He has taught at the University of Oxford, New York University, the University of Colorado at Boulder, the University of California of Irvine, and La Trobe University. He is now Professor of Philosophy, Co-Director of the Institute of Ethics and Public Affairs, and Deputy Director of the Centre for Human Bioethics at Monash University, Melbourne. He speaks frequently on a range of ethical issues, especially those involving issues of life and death, developments in medicine and the biological sciences, the status of nonhuman animals, and environmental questions.
Peter Singer first became well-known internationally as a result of his book Animal Liberation, sometimes described as "the Bible of Animal Liberation movement." His other books include: Democracy and Disobedience, Practical Ethics, The Expanding Circle, Marx , Hegel , Animal Factories (with Jim Mason), The Reproduction Revolution (with Deane Wells), Should the Baby Live? (with Helga Kuhse), How Are We to Live?, and most recently Rethinking Life and Death. Books he has edited or co-edited include Test-Tube Babies, In Defense of Animals, Applied Ethics, Animal Rights and Human Obligations, Embryo Experimentation, A Companion to Ethics, The Great Ape Project: Equality Beyond Humanity, and Ethics. He is the author of the major article on Ethics in the current edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, and, with Helga Kuhse, co-editor of the journal Bioethics.
Peter Singer's recreations include bushwalking, swimming, growing fruit and vegetables, and writing.


The Animal Liberation Movement,
Peter Singer wrote:
Over the last few years, the public has gradually become aware of the existence of a new cause: animal liberation. Most people first heard of the movement through newspaper articles, often of the "what on earth will they come up with next?" variety. Then there were marches and demonstrations against factory farming, animal experimentation or the Canadian seal slaughter; all brought to an audience of millions by the TV cameras. Finally there have been the illegal acts: slogans daubed on fur shops, laboratories broken into and animals rescued. What are the ideas behind the animal liberation movement, and where is it heading? In this essay I shall try to answer these questions.


Search on google for
[google]Animal liberation by Peter Singer[/google],
[google]Peter Singer[/google]


Yes - folks, this is where the on-going confusion about "animal rights" began, when Peter Singer allowed himself to be labelled as animal rights. Sometimes Singer says something like "Well, if humans have rights, then many nonhumans do too". Although it is hard, we should recognise that Singer is saying exactly what he believes: "IF" - not that humans do!

Currently we have the situation where Peter Singer's books are heavily publicised in the "animal rights movement", while genuine rights positions are not (Regan/Francione?Dunayer).

Maybe we should begin to ask the "animal rights" organisations why. I think their answer may be that they do not believe in nonhuman rights but a radical version of animal welfarism instead.

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 Re: [Book] Animal Liberation by Peter Singer
sunkanrags wrote:

Currently we have the situation where Peter Singer's books are heavily publicised in the "animal rights movement", while genuine rights positions are not (Regan/Francione?Dunayer).

Maybe we should begin to ask the "animal rights" organisations why. I think their answer may be that they do not believe in nonhuman rights but a radical version of animal welfarism instead.

Rags.


As far as I'm concerned, the difference between the liberationist view (Singer) and the rightist view (Regan, etc.) is rather trivial. Singer has a utilitarian view while Regan's is more absolute. The bottom line, however, is that the difference has no practical impact on the state of animals today. We (neo-welfarists, liberationists, rightists) all have the same currents goals; ending the exploitation of animals. After that is accomplished, then perhaps we can begin to address the issue of rights. Until then, lets stop wasting our energy on this trivial matter and get to work.

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 I feel that the book Animal Liberation by Peter Singer has served to awaken many people to think about ethics and the way that they live as beings. Because it is so easy to read it has assisted greatly in altering speciesist mind-sets.

Although I have been vegetarian since I was very young (by choice) and I am now becoming vegan, I had never really worked out why. I had made an emotional choice so as to avoid being part of what I perceived to be cruel behaviour by people. I now make an intellectual choice based on well thought out, well structured ethical frame-works.

It is actually thanks to Singer, Regan, Francione, Dunayer and others' passionate discussions and theorising that I have made further sweeping changes to my lifestyle and made a strong and lifelong commitment to altering people's thoughts about non-human animals (and therefore behaviours).

I agree, however, that it would be great if people's energies could concentrate on getting real results in real terms and stop the suffering now, discuss ethics later. But there is something to be said for the necessity to have a strong charter or ethical frame-work from which to act from and base decisions upon.

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 Re: [Book] Animal Liberation by Peter Singer
Minoesj wrote:
Animal Liberation
by Peter Singer



Amazon wrote:
Since its original publication in 1975, this groundbreaking work has awakened millions of concerned men and women to the shocking abuse of animals everywhere -- inspiring a worldwide movement to eliminate much of the cruel and unnecessary laboratory animal experimentation of years past.


Cynomis wrote:
Where the modern animal "rights" movement began, in spite of the fact
that Singer is a Bentham-style utilitarian who doesn't even believe
rights exist. I think his ideas are potentially dangerous, and they do
not support abolition of the use of animals at all.


Find a review at animalvoice, Eco Books
Find extracts at IVU and here.

Peter Singer

http://www.petersingerlinks.com/

Biographical note: wrote:
Peter Singer was born in Melbourne, Australia, in 1946, and educated at the University of Melbourne, and the University of Oxford. In 1968 he married Renata Diamond; they are still married, and have three daughters. He has taught at the University of Oxford, New York University, the University of Colorado at Boulder, the University of California of Irvine, and La Trobe University. He is now Professor of Philosophy, Co-Director of the Institute of Ethics and Public Affairs, and Deputy Director of the Centre for Human Bioethics at Monash University, Melbourne. He speaks frequently on a range of ethical issues, especially those involving issues of life and death, developments in medicine and the biological sciences, the status of nonhuman animals, and environmental questions.
Peter Singer first became well-known internationally as a result of his book Animal Liberation, sometimes described as "the Bible of Animal Liberation movement." His other books include: Democracy and Disobedience, Practical Ethics, The Expanding Circle, Marx , Hegel , Animal Factories (with Jim Mason), The Reproduction Revolution (with Deane Wells), Should the Baby Live? (with Helga Kuhse), How Are We to Live?, and most recently Rethinking Life and Death. Books he has edited or co-edited include Test-Tube Babies, In Defense of Animals, Applied Ethics, Animal Rights and Human Obligations, Embryo Experimentation, A Companion to Ethics, The Great Ape Project: Equality Beyond Humanity, and Ethics. He is the author of the major article on Ethics in the current edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, and, with Helga Kuhse, co-editor of the journal Bioethics.
Peter Singer's recreations include bushwalking, swimming, growing fruit and vegetables, and writing.


The Animal Liberation Movement, Peter Singer wrote:
Over the last few years, the public has gradually become aware of the existence of a new cause: animal liberation. Most people first heard of the movement through newspaper articles, often of the "what on earth will they come up with next?" variety. Then there were marches and demonstrations against factory farming, animal experimentation or the Canadian seal slaughter; all brought to an audience of millions by the TV cameras. Finally there have been the illegal acts: slogans daubed on fur shops, laboratories broken into and animals rescued. What are the ideas behind the animal liberation movement, and where is it heading? In this essay I shall try to answer these questions.


Search on google for
[google]Animal liberation by Peter Singer[/google],
[google]Peter Singer[/google]

You can buy the book at Amazon (new and second handed)


this is the ar book? i'm sorry but i saw "books" - i seem to be asking the same ques all day like a dick - i think the evidence is i should get animal liberation for my girlfriend

i am buying the best animal rights book for my girlfriend for xmas.

will

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hey animalrightsmalta! - you following me or am i following you! peeple will talk if we keep meeting like this

i have joined that saac so i can tell them about this forum and abolition and animalrightmalta

why don't the uk people know about all this.

they are into singer so i thought he must be english -i thought it was something like that - nationalism

but he's australian anyway it turns out!

why is the australian guy linked more than the american guy?

sorry about these qs - it is hard for an outsider to get used to the armovement

will

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bill wrote:
hey animalrightsmalta! - you following me or am i following you! peeple will talk if we keep meeting like this


Probably it's me following you. I try to follow all new posts. It's not just you...I follow everyone Wink

bill wrote:
i have joined that saac so i can tell them about this forum and abolition and animalrightmalta

why don't the uk people know about all this.

they are into singer so i thought he must be english -i thought it was something like that - nationalism

but he's australian anyway it turns out!

why is the australian guy linked more than the american guy?

sorry about these qs - it is hard for an outsider to get used to the armovement


Why Singer is so popular? Simple.

1. All the major welfarist organisations put him as the leading philosopher on "animal rights".
2. Being one who does not believe in rights, he is more ready to accept that one can still be "conscientous" despite eating meat and dairy. Lazy people love that.
3. His book is perhaps the most easy read from the major philosophy books about animals. Read Tom Regan's The Case for Animal Rights and you'll know what I mean...most people wouldn't read as far as the first three chapters. Perhaps this is what makes Gary Francione's Introduction to Animal Rights so valuable. While philosophically sound, it is quite an easy read. The only difference is that Francione's animal rights theory is more demanding than Singer's utilitarian and welfarist one. So again, lazy people will prefer Singer.
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animalrightsmalta wrote:
Perhaps this is what makes Gary Francione's Introduction to Animal Rights so valuable. While philosophically sound, it is quite an easy read. The only difference is that Francione's animal rights theory is more demanding than Singer's utilitarian and welfarist one. So again, lazy people will prefer Singer.


At the risk of potentially ostracising myself from most people, I have to say I consider myself to be a utilitarian. This being said, after reading an article from Francione, I'm not too sure how demanding he actually is:
Gary Francione wrote:
If we are going to make progress toward a greater acceptance of veganism, we must educate. And we must educate in a nonviolent, non-confrontational way that takes into account the social, religious, and “movement” realities. This does not mean that our use of animals is anything but a moral outrage; it means only that our efforts to educate about that moral outrage must take into account how the vast majority of humans see this issue.


It's because exploitation and discomfort caused by it are realities is all the MORE reason to be confrontational. The majority of the people don't even see the issue for what it is.

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And that brings me to a final comment. Many of those who support a confrontational approach have friends who are “animal people” and may be “vegetarians” but are not vegans. Perhaps those are the people with whom to take a less flexible approach!


This is probably the least true statement. I've been very confrontational and have actually been shutting out old friendships because they are so meat obsessed. I'm also a vegan...

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Thanks to the modern animal welfare movement, which has appropriated the “animal rights” label, vegans can be dismissed as extremists and confrontation is necessarily counterproductive and not merely ineffective.


He's basically justifying people ignoring vegans...

All these things just don't make him seem very demanding at all...

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EcoTribalVegan wrote:
At the risk of potentially ostracising myself from most people, I have to say I consider myself to be a utilitarian.


You're not allowing yourself to be described as the "father of the animal rights movement", so no, you won't be ostracised just because you're a utilitarian.

EcoTribalVegan wrote:
This being said, after reading an article from Francione, I'm not too sure how demanding he actually is:
Gary Francione wrote:
If we are going to make progress toward a greater acceptance of veganism, we must educate. And we must educate in a nonviolent, non-confrontational way that takes into account the social, religious, and “movement” realities. This does not mean that our use of animals is anything but a moral outrage; it means only that our efforts to educate about that moral outrage must take into account how the vast majority of humans see this issue.


It's because exploitation and discomfort caused by it are realities is all the MORE reason to be confrontational. The majority of the people don't even see the issue for what it is.


What I meant by demanding is that unlike Peta/Singer, Francione says that you can't call yourself AR unless you're vegan. To Francione there is no such thing as a "conscientous omnivore". You're either a vegan or you're not. That is the demanding part.

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And that brings me to a final comment. Many of those who support a confrontational approach have friends who are “animal people” and may be “vegetarians” but are not vegans. Perhaps those are the people with whom to take a less flexible approach!


EcoTribalVegan wrote:
This is probably the least true statement. I've been very confrontational and have actually been shutting out old friendships because they are so meat obsessed. I'm also a vegan...


By shutting out old friendships you would be shutting out any chance to convert them to veganism. That's exactly what Francione means. He is speaking about debating with people, and not shutting them off. He is basically saying that with a confrontational approach towards people who have no idea on AR, one has little chance of converting them. He goes on to say that perhaps a confrontational approach is appropriate with people who already know much about AR but are too "lazy" to make the necessary changes in their lives.

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Thanks to the modern animal welfare movement, which has appropriated the “animal rights” label, vegans can be dismissed as extremists and confrontation is necessarily counterproductive and not merely ineffective.


EcoTribalVegan wrote:
He's basically justifying people ignoring vegans...

All these things just don't make him seem very demanding at all...


He's not justifying people ignoring vegans. He's giving one possible reason for it. And I believe he is right on target. Welfarists do make AR activists look "extreme".

Again, the demanding part is the part referring to changes to one's personal life. It's not about activism. Advocating the murder of all meat-eaters would be the most demanding expectation of an activist, but besides being immoral, would it be effective...would it bring the end of speciesism? I think not. What's most demanding (in activism) is not necessarily what brings the best results.
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Why Singer is so popular? Simple.

1. All the major welfarist organisations put him as the leading philosopher on "animal rights".
2. Being one who does not believe in rights, he is more ready to accept that one can still be "conscientous" despite eating meat and dairy. Lazy people love that.
3. His book is perhaps the most easy read from the major philosophy books about animals. Read Tom Regan's The Case for Animal Rights and you'll know what I mean...most people wouldn't read as far as the first three chapters. Perhaps this is what makes Gary Francione's Introduction to Animal Rights so valuable. While philosophically sound, it is quite an easy read. The only difference is that Francione's animal rights theory is more demanding than Singer's utilitarian and welfarist one. So again, lazy people will prefer Singer.


thanks again animalrightsmalta - i told saac about your book list - they havent replied yet but i joined thier forum so i can ask all the student eople at once

you say 1.,right, but the durham students are not major welfare organizations are they? they say hes the leading guy not francione on the top of your list you are not saying students are lazy are you!!!!

god the surprise that would bee

durham mentioned regan but no book- i looked at that on amazon and your list -you have a good list to show to the students -is it ok for meto show them your good list?

will

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 oh-forgot-soz

major welfare organizations are rspca and stuff like that?

saac link to league against cruel sports so i looked at the web site- they didnt link to you or anything ar from what i saw- they talk about animal welfare a lot, so are they one too?


will

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you say 1.,right, but the durham students are not major welfare organizations are they? they say hes the leading guy not francione on the top of your list you are not saying students are lazy are you!!!!


No, I'm not saying the students are necessarily lazy. But most probably, the only "AR" message they receive comes from the major animal protectionist organisations...and most of these are not abolitionist. I don't blame them. I was like them. In fact, Singer's Animal Liberation was one of the first books I read on animal issues. Luckily I bought it together with Regan's The Case for Animal Rights, which is a giant positive leap from Singer's book. It was only several years later that I got to know of authors such as Francione...quite recently in fact.

The general public (including students) usually get mostly what the general media trumpets out. And if the mainstream media gives prominence to Singer (because less threatening to the status quo) and the animal organizations' own media follow suit (Peta, HSUS etc), what do you expect? It is only by coincidence or through the hard work of the newly emerging abolitionist activists that one will get to know of the abolitionist views of Francione and the like.
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oh-forgot-soz

major welfare organizations are rspca and stuff like that?

saac link to league against cruel sports so i looked at the web site- they didnt link to you or anything ar from what i saw- they talk about animal welfare a lot, so are they one too?


will


I make a distinction between large and wealthy animal organizations who should know better, and small independent grassroots organizations who might be simply misled by the large groups.

I don't expect them to link to me (though that would be appreciated) since my "organization" is only a small grassroots network of activists from the tiny island of Malta.

The LACS as far as I know is not abolitionist. In fact it does not say anything about animals killed or exploited for other reasons than sport. However, if they are working for the abolition of all bloodsports, then I totally support them in that.
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You're not allowing yourself to be described as the "father of the animal rights movement", so no, you won't be ostracised just because you're a utilitarian.


But does he say he PROMOTES being called that? I don't see how you can criticise someone just because people like his ideas and he has a mild cult-following.

And I think my version of utilitarianism is different than Singers to some extent. Although Singer is a vegan (as far as my sources say). And when met with criticism on his stance about vivisection he is a bit slippery, but he seems to not condone it.

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What I meant by demanding is that unlike Peta/Singer, Francione says that you can't call yourself AR unless you're vegan. To Francione there is no such thing as a "conscientous omnivore". You're either a vegan or you're not. That is the demanding part.


And I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly. But by NOT being confrontational about people's choice to eat animal products it won't help anything either.

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By shutting out old friendships you would be shutting out any chance to convert them to veganism. That's exactly what Francione means. He is speaking about debating with people, and not shutting them off. He is basically saying that with a confrontational approach towards people who have no idea on AR, one has little chance of converting them. He goes on to say that perhaps a confrontational approach is appropriate with people who already know much about AR but are too "lazy" to make the necessary changes in their lives.


These are people who are friends with the people I used to work with who lit a mouse on fire...I just didn't see any point in arguing with them if they perpetrate heinous activies themselves. And while he didn't really condone the method, he did justify it as a specist attack like he would any other mouse.

And my other "friends" who make comments when I because vegan like, "I'll just eat twice as much meat", etc. And not that I'm against talking to them about it, but it would more than likely fall on deaf ears.

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He's not justifying people ignoring vegans. He's giving one possible reason for it. And I believe he is right on target. Welfarists do make AR activists look "extreme".


I think all liberal hypocrites make vegan's look extreme, the same way they make communists look extreme. I don't think it's non-vegan "activists" that are inherently responsible for this.

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Again, the demanding part is the part referring to changes to one's personal life. It's not about activism. Advocating the murder of all meat-eaters would be the most demanding expectation of an activist, but besides being immoral, would it be effective...would it bring the end of speciesism? I think not. What's most demanding (in activism) is not necessarily what brings the best results.


That's all well and good, but you somewhat ignored the part where he was discussing being confrontrational in the face of religious and cultural history. If we aren't willing to confront OTHERS on these things, I still don't see it as demanding.

And I don't think anyone I have read anything of has condoned killing all meat-eaters. Although in a Facebook forum I'm on, a troll mentioned any vegan society would be met with violent counter-revolution. So of course I would be willing to fight them...
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